Nirgun Nirankaar, Sagun Nirankaar (Alaah, God?) Sanatan Dharma

ANAADI ANANT - NIRGUN NIRANKAAR, SAGUN KIRANKAAR, SAGUNA SAAKAR

"Nirgun Nirankaar and Anaadi Anant". Anant is the one without end -- infinity. (Please check comment below about Allah as explained in comments section by some folks earlier -- Nirgun Saakaar as it has no forms but it can do anything and not Nirgun Nirankaar, or Akkhilesh Gautam's comment that Allah might be somewhat closer to Brahma ---> if at all closer!)

Allah or God --- Is also reflected in Hindu/Sanatan/Vedic religion as Saguna Nirankaar.

Moorty-Puja that is Idol Worship is called as "Sagun upasana" whereas without idol it is called as Nirgun Upasana. Nirgun-Nirankaar (Anant that is infinity -- present everywhere).

Vedic Religion and traditions or Satnatan religion allows different people different types of ways to express their love/devotion for God. Folks NEED something to concentrate upon, something to term as God and concentrate on that SWAROOP. Each Swaroop can represent various "Goon" of Bhagwaan/God. The catch is NOT to think that the idol is THE God but understand that the Idol is to help you concentrate, meditate and reach a level you can progress and connect with the God directly! It also allows you do incorporate & imbibe that Swaroop/goon thru your bhakti and term them as role model and achieve higher level of skills and levels and buddhi as per the upasana.

The various Prophets might have realized that, people forgot the REAL & the ultimate Bhagwaan/God and its Nirgun Nirankaar or infinity existence and kept thinking that God was in an Idol. So it was ordered to go to HIM directly and not get entangled with various forms or energies (I'm speculating). The fact that various idol places became Karmic cycle places itself created 1 more problem. The power and the money that these things generated again gave RISE to Karmic chain of events INSTEAD Of reducing the MOH-MAAYAA and get on spiritual path to connect with HIM. Maybe, the prophets saw that as a problem and people losing sense of purpose following these places and not the ultimate God. Thier followers made places like Vatican and mecca & medina and so on as the kaarmic cycle places is another story. I guess only Buddha has not been modled to suit to keep power center at one place. They have finally become custodians of the vary principles the prophets wanted to release from!!?

Rather, today, I feel that the Islamic world that is trying to connect with Nirgun-Nirankaar needs an Idol so that they can at least get started & stop attacking each other!!! :) And the folks who are STUCK with IDOLS actually are in need of Nirgun Nirankaar, or Sagun Nirankaar (Allah or God) -- whatever you want to call it. "Budham Sharanam Gachhami" is I think nothing but to find the God within and everywhere in this world and not just in an Idol or a place! Sadly, today Abrahamic religions are entangled in operational model more than spiritual model and hence are in chaos and more so Islamic world with total chaos with people in power interpreting text the way they want.

However, the world will ALWAYS need Idols. Not ALL folks would get on the path of spirituality to UNDERSTAND and appreciate "Nirgoon Nirankaar". Even Christ's statue is placed to give hope and energy to folks despite the diktat to directly connect to the God!!!

So -- WHATEVER WORKS for you - as long as it makes you do GOOD KARMA and Help Others -- God Bless!!! :)

I am just happy that with my VERY LITTLE interest in Spirituality or religion for that matter -- I came across NIRGUN NIRANKAAR or Sugun Nirankaar in Sanatan/Vedic/Hindu religion or Hindu philosophy which is nothing but Allah or God as per the religion one might be following. May we all find Bhagwaan -- i.e. "Nirgun Nirankaar -- Anaadi Anant" (The one that has "No start No end -- Infinity")

Comment by Uma Maheswara Rao Settipalli

Nirguna nirakar - no quality and no form.

Saguna nirakar - quality is there but no form.

Saguna sakar - quality and form both have.

Vedas say "Brahman" which referred to first one , nirguna nirakar. It can be realised in meditation. Beyond all 3 states.

Allah is second one. They don't believe form , but they believe Allah can do anything. i.e quality is there.

3rd one idol worship. Form is there and can do anything.